Episode 15

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9th Feb 2026

Episode 15: Dr. James Hollis Joins Man in the Middle (Our Exclusive Interview)

“Dr. James Hollis Joins Man in the Middle (Our Exclusive Interview)”


Episode Overview

What happens when the life you worked so hard to build suddenly feels too small?

In this rare and deeply reflective conversation, Kevin and Joe sit down with Dr. James Hollis to explore the inner crisis many men face in midlife, when achievement no longer satisfies, certainty dissolves, and the soul begins asking different question

Why listen

Dr. James Hollis is a renowned Jungian analyst and the author of more than 19 books, including The Middle Passage, a foundational work that has given language to the psychological and spiritual transition of midlife. His writing has guided generations of men through the often unspoken inner reckoning of the second half of life

Key Quotes

“The ego never knows enough to know enough.”

“The question of the second half of life is not what the world wants from me—but what the soul wants of me.”

“You are not crazy. There is a purpose to what is breaking down.”

“The smallest thing with meaning is greater than the largest thing without it.”

Main Topics Covered

  1. The psychology of midlife transition
  2. First adulthood vs. second adulthood
  3. Why achievement can become a prison
  4. Depression as a summons, not a disorder
  5. Energy, meaning, and inner authority
  6. Shadow work and the unlived life
  7. Dreams as guidance systems
  8. Patience, endurance, and courage
  9. Masculinity, isolation, and authenticity
  10. Legacy beyond success

Key Takeaways

  1. Midlife unrest is not failure, it is initiation.
  2. Letting go of old identities is necessary before new meaning emerges.
  3. Feelings, energy levels, and dreams are diagnostic tools, not inconveniences.
  4. The second half of life asks for service, not status.
  5. This journey cannot be rushed but it can be honored.

Recommended Resource

  1. The Middle Passage by James Hollis (a foundational text for men in midlife)
  2. Audiobook versions of Hollis’ work, read by the author
  3. Prisms and other writings by James Hollis

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About the Podcast

Man in the Middle Show w/ Kevin & Joe
Man in the Middle Show with Kevin & Joe

Are you a middle-aged man feeling trapped in your life? Stuck in a relationship, career, health situation, or financial rut that leaves you unfulfilled? Do you find yourself asking, "Is this it? Is it me? Is there more?"

You're not alone, and the Man in the Middle Show is here to prove it.

Join Kevin and Joe, two regular guys living in the "middle", as they dive deep into the challenges, triumphs, and existential questions that plague men in midlife. This isn't your typical self-help podcast – it's a raw, honest conversation between friends who've been there, done that, and are still figuring it out.

Meet Your Hosts:

Kevin at 54, he's a bald, bionic entrepreneur with a metal heart valve and 20 years in the "bonus round" of life. A former stand-up comic turned business owner, Kevin's journey includes:
- 25 years of marriage
- Raising two newly adult children
- A near-death experience and open-heart surgery at 35
- Navigating major career shifts and life transitions

Joe is The 42-year-old "regular guy" with an extraordinary story:
- 15 years sober after a 13-year battle with addiction
- High school dropout turned successful restaurant industry leader and now COO in digital marketing
- Father to a teenager and expecting a newborn (talk about a midlife shake-up!)
- Proof that it's never too late to turn your life around

Why Listen?

Real Talk, No BS... Kevin and Joe aren't therapists or gurus – they're guys just like you, sharing their experiences and struggles without filters.

You're Not Alone! Discover that those feelings of emptiness, confusion, and restlessness are normal and part of the midlife journey for many men.

Diverse Perspectives are critical. With their vastly different backgrounds and life experiences, Kevin and Joe offer unique insights into common midlife challenges.

Inspiration to Ask Bigger Questions. Instead of easy answers, you'll be motivated to dig deeper and rediscover what truly matters to you.

A Safe Space for Men. Finally, a place where you can hear open, honest discussions about the topics men often feel they can't talk about.

Practical Wisdom. Learn from the hosts' successes and failures as they navigate relationships, career transitions, health scares, and major life changes.

Finally... some Humor and Heart. Expect laughs alongside the deep stuff – because sometimes, you've got to find the funny in life's challenges.

The Man in the Middle Show isn't about having it all figured out. It's about embracing the messy middle, finding meaning in the struggle, and realizing that your best years might still be ahead of you.

Whether you're feeling lost, looking for a change, or just want to hear from guys who get it, Kevin and Joe are here to bring you into the middle of the conversation. You're not above, you're not below – you're right there with them, part of a community of men facing midlife head-on.

Tune in and discover:
- Strategies for reigniting passion in your relationships and career
- How to navigate major life transitions with grace (or at least a sense of humor)
- Ways to redefine success and fulfillment on your own terms
- The power of vulnerability and authentic male friendships
- Tools for managing stress, health concerns, and the infamous midlife crisis

Don't let society tell you how to age or what your life should look like. Join Kevin, Joe, and a growing tribe of men who are rewriting the rules of midlife, one honest conversation at a time.

Subscribe to the Man in the Middle Show w/ Kevin & Joe because midlife doesn't have to be a crisis. It can be your awakening.

New episodes drop weekly. Available wherever you get your podcasts.

Remember... You're not stuck. You're not alone. And there's definitely more to life – let's find it together.

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